Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

[Rufus Stone]

Unreal said:

Here we go. Tory tax cuts over the next six months and Starmer refusing to rule out raising taxes.

Probably too little too late but it's at least an attempt to make the choice starker.

They are trying to bribe the wrong electorate. Pensioners are seeing tax rises not cuts.

[Dagnir]

Randy Winkman said:

Dagnir said:

captain_cynic said:

blueg33 said:

No but I don't make assumptions, I prefer evidence rather than knee jerk bigotry and cries of "Woke"

At this point we all know "woke" means "you said something I didn't like, waaahhhhhh"

The irony being that it's the woke bunch that cry over speech and want to control it.

Just the woke mob? What about the Daily/Mail Telegraph "the world's gone mad" types? They seem to be offended by everything including lanyards.

Oh no. Plenty of hysteria all over.

I was just commenting on which side generally tries to control speech.

[Randy Winkman]

Killboy said:

Ah, and here I thought virtue signaling is doing something publicly for the image and not actually the cause.

I'm not sure how you promote an image without also promoting the cause. I'm sure someone could find an example but in my world, lanyards, poppies, wristbands, t-shirts etc do both. That's the point of them.

[President Merkin]

Rufus Stone said:

They are trying to bribe the wrong electorate. Pensioners are seeing tax rises not cuts.

Eh? Pensioners are comparatively being showered in cash under this government. The Tories big problem is pursuing them. Retired authoritarian, low trust, anti establishment, receptive to Reform types are by definition a dwindling base. Alienating their forever vote, middle class, working age, risk averse families is where they should focus but inexplicably, no.

[Rufus Stone]

President Merkin said:

Eh? Pensioners are comparatively being showered in cash under this government. The Tories big problem is pursuing them. Retired authoritarian, low trust, anti establishment, receptive to Reform types are by definition a dwindling base. Alienating their forever vote, middle class, working age, risk averse families is where they should focus but inexplicably, no.

They are?

Yes they got an inflation proofed rise this year, but some of it for many has been clawed back in tax so they are worse off compared to the actual costs of living.

[5 In a Row]

If virtue signalling is a real thing then isn't Esther McVey as guilty of it as anyone, its simply that she's signalling to her chosen section of society?

I don't think anything like this can simply be classified as a left or right wing thing - everyone is at it.

E.g. Woke could be turned around for right wingers to mean expressing values from their traditional past.

[President Merkin]

Rufus Stone said:

They are?

Yes they got an inflation proofed rise this year, but some of it for many has been clawed back in tax so they are worse off compared to the actual costs of living.

In isolation, that's true. However, imagine being a recent debt laden graduate, working your second career role in London, thinking about buying a house & starting a family & then how do things look? The social contract is very broken.

[smn159]

5 In a Row said:

If virtue signalling is a real thing then isn't Esther McVey as guilty of it as anyone, its simply that she's signalling to her chosen section of society?

I don't think anything like this can simply be classified as a left or right wing thing - everyone is at it.

E.g. Woke could be turned around for right wingers to mean expressing values from their traditional past.

It's only a real thing for social media culture warriors and grumpy pensioners though. No-one else gives a toss what colour lanyards that civil servants wear

Putting a woke finder general to lead a purge of it speaks volumes about the lack of ideas in government and who they're pandering to

[captain_cynic]

Randy Winkman said:

Dagnir said:

captain_cynic said:

blueg33 said:

No but I don't make assumptions, I prefer evidence rather than knee jerk bigotry and cries of "Woke"

At this point we all know "woke" means "you said something I didn't like, waaahhhhhh"

The irony being that it's the woke bunch that cry over speech and want to control it.

Just the woke mob? What about the Daily/Mail Telegraph "the world's gone mad" types? They seem to be offended by everything including lanyards.

Yep... It's the real irony that it's the Daily Mail types trying to force everyone else into following their orthodoxy.

Woke, much like "virtue signalling" has just become code for "something I didn't like and want to cry about".

[Killboy]

Randy Winkman said:

Killboy said:

Ah, and here I thought virtue signaling is doing something publicly for the image and not actually the cause.

I'm not sure how you promote an image without also promoting the cause. I'm sure someone could find an example but in my world, lanyards, poppies, wristbands, t-shirts etc do both. That's the point of them.

Yes, but it's a question of whether you actually believe in the cause, or do it because you want to be seen doing to for the cause.

But we now know displaying anything publically is just virtue signalling regardless of the reasons.

[Rufus Stone]

So Hunt apparently wants to grant further tax reductions to his chosen beneficiaries again in the autumn, while likely ignoring all other individual and corporate tax payers.

Loving the fair society Jeremy.

[Randy Winkman]

Killboy said:

Randy Winkman said:

Killboy said:

Ah, and here I thought virtue signaling is doing something publicly for the image and not actually the cause.

I'm not sure how you promote an image without also promoting the cause. I'm sure someone could find an example but in my world, lanyards, poppies, wristbands, t-shirts etc do both. That's the point of them.

Yes, but it's a question of whether you actually believe in the cause, or do it because you want to be seen doing to for the cause.

But we now know displaying anything publically is just virtue signalling regardless of the reasons.

I'm not sure how we can know that and even if we do it's about the person not the cause. So there cant really be some causes where we can accuse people of virtue signalling and other causes where we cant.

[119]

Rufus Stone said:

So Hunt apparently wants to grant further tax reductions to his chosen beneficiaries again in the autumn, while likely ignoring all other individual and corporate tax payers.

Loving the fair society Jeremy.

Who are his ‘chosen beneficeries’?

I don’t see anything mentioned in this article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwgd1ngn8xo

[Killboy]

Randy Winkman said:

I'm not sure how we can know that and even if we do it's about the person not the cause. So there cant really be some causes where we can accuse people of virtue signalling and other causes where we cant.

So its safer just to scream "virtue signalling" at every opportunity?

Yeah, this is one of these terms I wish would just die. It means nothing.

[Rufus Stone]

119 said:

Who are his ‘chosen beneficeries’?

I don’t see anything mentioned in this article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwgd1ngn8xo

Those paying employee NI.

[bitchstewie]

Killboy said:

So its safer just to scream "virtue signalling" at every opportunity?

Yeah, this is one of these terms I wish would just die. It means nothing.

Most times when I read it it just means basic decency.

Easier to bang on about "virtue signalling" than shine a light on your own lack of it.

[S600BSB]

Rufus Stone said:

So Hunt apparently wants to grant further tax reductions to his chosen beneficiaries again in the autumn, while likely ignoring all other individual and corporate tax payers.

Loving the fair society Jeremy.

Just desperate.

[Rufus Stone]

S600BSB said:

Just desperate.

Me or Jeremy.

[Dagnir]

Killboy said:

So its safer just to scream "virtue signalling" at every opportunity?

Yeah, this is one of these terms I wish would just die. It means nothing.

A woman named Jessica with pronouns in her signature is virtue signalling. It's a pledge of allegiance to the ideology to show how progressive you are.


Making a big song and dance about clapping for the NHS and posting it all over your socials so everyone can see how supportive you are, is virtue signalling.


Empty gestures with no tangible benefit, made for the portrayal of being compassionate and caring, is virtue signalling.



Sure, it gets over (and incorrectly) used but it doesn't mean nothing.

[turbobloke]

S600BSB said:

Rufus Stone said:

So Hunt apparently wants to grant further tax reductions to his chosen beneficiaries again in the autumn, while likely ignoring all other individual and corporate tax payers.

Loving the fair society Jeremy.

Just desperate.

Surely if Hunt & Co were desperate they'd do a Corbyn and give 'free' stuff away to lots of people rather than a few mates. The announcement included mention of his Shadow (Reeves) with regard to household tax levels and NI abolition, so in that regard his claimed cuts look likely to help the average Jo/Joe.