PCC elections tomorrow

[QuartzDad]

Electro1980 said:

Good or bad? They waste Chief Constable time by trying to change operational activity of police forces to meet their own pet projects and political beliefs.

Ours decided that putting up a blue lampshade outside a few stations was a good idea.

[XCP]

XCP said:

So the figure at our polling station was 10%.

Or to put it another way something over £10 cost for every vote cast.

Conservative lost his job. Replaced by Labour.

[Kermit power]

Rusty Old-Banger said:

Single figures. Maybe 8 percent?

I think it may creep as high as 12%, fueled largely by people like me who are going along purely to make a point of voting for a candidate not aligned to a political party out of a belief that politics shouldn't be involved in the running of police forces.

[XCP]

CoolHands said:

I had to practically force the presiding officer to record my being unable to vote due to not having photo ID on the correct form to be reported. I’m the only one. So the statistics will be completely false since they clearly don’t want to report them / know how to report them / try and get you to desperately give them any kind of ID rather than report it. He seemed shocked that someone would want to have it noted.

By the way I am POSITIVE I previously commented on a thread about photo ID and I think it was a reasonably popular thread, does anyone know where it is? I think about 6 months ago, maybe a year. Cannot find it at all.

Did you want to vote?
If not, why should it be recorded?

[snuffy]

XCP said:

So the figure at our polling station was 10%.

Or to put it another way something over £10 cost for every vote cast.

Do they figures get published? I.e. per station ? I know you know, since you were there at yours.

I'd be interested to see mine; it's a mobile one that appears a day or so before on the back of a lorry. Plus a Turdis, so all that can't be cheap, as well as paying the people of course.

[We are all Brexiteers now]

Yes they are published as part of the transparency obligations, nut there is no point of doing it down to station level.

Edited by We are all Brexiteers now on Friday 3rd May 10:27

[Dixy]

Perhaps instead of moaning they do nothing their should be a PH campaign to lobby every PCC about car thefts that is making car insurance exorbitant.
So I will write to mine and demand they act.
Wont do any good but hey ho.

[XCP]

We are all Brexiteers now said:

Yes they are published as part of the transparency obligations, nut there is no point of doing it down to station level.

Edited by We are all Brexiteers now on Friday 3rd May 10:27

If you include counting, printing the ballots, ( 90% of which were wasted of course) and the other costs, the figure per vote would be much higher.
We were using an iPad to scan poll cards and ballot papers for the first time yesterday, rather than the old paper list and ruler and pencil.

[Hippea]

16% turnout for the PCC in my area, 60% being postal votes

[pavarotti1980]

sugerbear said:

£102.2 Million from 2019 up to April 2023. Or about 4000 police officers / community support officers on a wage of 25k.

Utterly pointless.

Top end PC is on £46000 which is what would be factored in for budgetary purposes + pension & NI contributions would take actual cost to about £60k per PC. So thats only c.1700 police officers across 43 forces so average of an extra 39 per force. Split over shifts and different areas would probably mean 1 extra per shift per day...

The PCC role is just a rebrand. How much did Police Authorities cost us prior to the idiots in charge deciding to reinvent the wheel?

[sugerbear]

pavarotti1980 said:

sugerbear said:

£102.2 Million from 2019 up to April 2023. Or about 4000 police officers / community support officers on a wage of 25k.

Utterly pointless.

Top end PC is on £46000 which is what would be factored in for budgetary purposes + pension & NI contributions would take actual cost to about £60k per PC. So thats only c.1700 police officers across 43 forces so average of an extra 39 per force. Split over shifts and different areas would probably mean 1 extra per shift per day...

The PCC role is just a rebrand. How much did Police Authorities cost us prior to the idiots in charge deciding to reinvent the wheel?

What criminals worry about is getting is being caught, You could have another 4000 people being used across those 43 forces to prevent crime happening in the first place. or taking the pressure of the existing police force. Either way you dont need to spend 46k on people that wander around the community.

[chemistry]

I don't really think we need PCCs but voted for the independent candidate because if we're forced to have one, I definitely can't see why having one with a clear political affiliation would be beneficial (particularly given the state of our main parties - a pox on all their houses).

The two ladies running our polling station said it had been a very quiet day...

[Drumroll]

XCP said:

If you include counting, printing the ballots, ( 90% of which were wasted of course) and the other costs, the figure per vote would be much higher.
We were using an iPad to scan poll cards and ballot papers for the first time yesterday, rather than the old paper list and ruler and pencil.

So how did that work as taking a polling card isn't compulsory yet.

[XCP]

Drumroll said:

XCP said:

If you include counting, printing the ballots, ( 90% of which were wasted of course) and the other costs, the figure per vote would be much higher.
We were using an iPad to scan poll cards and ballot papers for the first time yesterday, rather than the old paper list and ruler and pencil.

So how did that work as taking a polling card isn't compulsory yet.

Voter just gets looked up on the database using the iPad, much quicker than looking through the dog eared register.

[pavarotti1980]

sugerbear said:

What criminals worry about is getting is being caught, You could have another 4000 people being used across those 43 forces to prevent crime happening in the first place. or taking the pressure of the existing police force. Either way you dont need to spend 46k on people that wander around the community.

You wont get 4000 coppers with that money though. Certainly don't need 4000 PCSOs either

[ajprice]

17% for the North Wales PCC https://www.deeside.com/labours-andy-dunbobbin-re-.... I was one of the 83%.

[Kermit power]

Hoofy said:

My postal vote is sitting right here. Waiting to go in recycling. I normally send in postal votes immediately.

Yes, a PCC is probably important. Struggling to care what colour tie they wear. I've not seen any of the manifestos but I suspect they all want to cut crime.

I'd be all for a PCC saving taxpayer money normally, but the current Tory Plum sack has somehow managed to get Surrrey Police put into special measures whilst underspending on their budget to the tune of nearly £10m!

You would think they might just think it worth spending some of the money they've already got on improving policing?

[spikyone]

pavarotti1980 said:

sugerbear said:

What criminals worry about is getting is being caught, You could have another 4000 people being used across those 43 forces to prevent crime happening in the first place. or taking the pressure of the existing police force. Either way you dont need to spend 46k on people that wander around the community.

You wont get 4000 coppers with that money though. Certainly don't need 4000 PCSOs either

However many police officers you could get, it would still be a more effective use of our taxes than the PCCs.

The absolute apathy shown in the turnout shows that most of the population don't want an elected PCC either. I was at the polling station for local council elections, and spoiled my PCC ballot in protest at the wastefulness.

[Drumroll]

XCP said:

Drumroll said:

XCP said:

If you include counting, printing the ballots, ( 90% of which were wasted of course) and the other costs, the figure per vote would be much higher.
We were using an iPad to scan poll cards and ballot papers for the first time yesterday, rather than the old paper list and ruler and pencil.

So how did that work as taking a polling card isn't compulsory yet.

Voter just gets looked up on the database using the iPad, much quicker than looking through the dog eared register.

I was confused because your post said "using an iPad to scan poll cards"

[CoolHands]

XCP said:

CoolHands said:

I had to practically force the presiding officer to record my being unable to vote due to not having photo ID on the correct form to be reported. I’m the only one. So the statistics will be completely false since they clearly don’t want to report them / know how to report them / try and get you to desperately give them any kind of ID rather than report it. He seemed shocked that someone would want to have it noted.

By the way I am POSITIVE I previously commented on a thread about photo ID and I think it was a reasonably popular thread, does anyone know where it is? I think about 6 months ago, maybe a year. Cannot find it at all.

Did you want to vote?
If not, why should it be recorded?

yes I wanted to vote; why would I bother with being concerned about this otherwise. Why shouldn’t it be recorded that I was not allowed to vote? It’s quite important I think.