Christian Horner

[PhilAsia]

PhilAsia said:

TheDeuce said:

Boom78 said:

I’m no Horner fan but regardless of his off track actions and slimyness he’s an out and out team principal, probably the best. He built a superb team that has dominated and if not dominating is always competitive. An imbecile he is not. I can’t think of anyone bar maybe toto who could have achieved what he has. His private life is just that, he alone needs to sort that out, it’s just been weaponised as part of the red bull ownership power struggle and we’re lapping it up. If he had done the same feats for a pseudo British team like Williams and Mc we’d be calling for knighthoods and to hell with the allegations.

Edited by Boom78 on Saturday 4th May 15:34

Yes, he's been very effective at his job - but he's weakened now by the fact a lot of people don't particularly like him very much. That makes him harder to forgive and harder to feel sorry for tbh.

And it's especially hard to find any sympathy for him when he's talking nonsense and to try and smooth over the mess he's created. It's incredibly offensive when someone lies because it means they believe those listening are stupid enough to believe them.

I'm not suggesting he has much choice than to try and maintain a certain image publicly - but unfortunately it's very tedious to witness him doing that.

He has always lied publicly, with an expectation that either the listeners are too stupid, or too forgetful of events to notice. He is just full of st.

Oh, and add to that, his self-perceived "artful dodger" slippery-didn't-I-fool-you smarmy, shifty, scumminess.

[SpudLink]

732NM said:

Boom78 said:

And this is the most crucial point, he wins stuff for RB. This isnt at you BTW but most posts I’m seeing in this thread, if your strip it back are nothing more than a chance to have a dig at the leading team, faux outrage, they don’t really care about the PA involved. If you want to beat RB, beat them on track. Faux outrage doesn’t win anything.

Newey and lots of money was how that team succeeded. Unlike most TP, he didn't have to spend most of his time chasing sponsors to survive. The real test comes now.

Lots of money on the catering budget. Definitely not an overspend on developing a car for the current era.

[PhilAsia]

SpudLink said:

732NM said:

Boom78 said:

And this is the most crucial point, he wins stuff for RB. This isnt at you BTW but most posts I’m seeing in this thread, if your strip it back are nothing more than a chance to have a dig at the leading team, faux outrage, they don’t really care about the PA involved. If you want to beat RB, beat them on track. Faux outrage doesn’t win anything.

Newey and lots of money was how that team succeeded. Unlike most TP, he didn't have to spend most of his time chasing sponsors to survive. The real test comes now.

Lots of money on the catering budget. Definitely not an overspend on developing a car for the current era.

Drops mic

[Boom78]

All quite disingenuous about Horner. I repeat again, I’m no fan of the guy (slimy now sleaze) but he built that team from ground zero, he recruited the talent, created the framework, defined the strategy and made the decisions and ultimately made RB what it is today. And before anyone starts with the whole ‘he didn’t do it himself’, ‘it was Adrian’, ‘he had a blank cheque’ he is at the helm and provides the direction, structure, safety net and makes the decisions. I ask again; do you REALLY care about the PA or is it just an opportunity to put the boot in?

[732NM]

Boom78 said:

All quite disingenuous about Horner. I repeat again, I’m no fan of the guy (slimy now sleaze) but he built that team from ground zero, he recruited the talent, created the framework, defined the strategy and made the decisions and ultimately made RB what it is today. And before anyone starts with the whole ‘he didn’t do it himself’, ‘it was Adrian’, ‘he had a blank cheque’ he is at the helm and provides the direction, structure, safety net and makes the decisions. I ask again; do you REALLY care about the PA or is it just an opportunity to put the boot in?

Why would you not care about the PA in such circumstances. She is a real person who is going through a stty time.

[jasonrobertson86]

suffolk009 said:

jasonrobertson86 said:

DonkeyApple said:

In my case it is simply because someone sought to accuse me of something that I hadn't done. I probably should have ignored it as it was so asinine but I really don't like that sort of behaviour and have no respect for those who do so.

true. not worth bothering. its just the tinternet....

Sorry for the pedantry, but surely when you write tinternet (above), it's short for t'internet, which is short for the internet. So you'd not really write "just the the internet", just "just tinternet".

whatever you like mate.

[Jasandjules]

Boom78 said:

I ask again; do you REALLY care about the PA or is it just an opportunity to put the boot in?

Are you honestly happy with the content of the text messages and the implications?

[NRS]

Boom78 said:

All quite disingenuous about Horner. I repeat again, I’m no fan of the guy (slimy now sleaze) but he built that team from ground zero, he recruited the talent, created the framework, defined the strategy and made the decisions and ultimately made RB what it is today. And before anyone starts with the whole ‘he didn’t do it himself’, ‘it was Adrian’, ‘he had a blank cheque’ he is at the helm and provides the direction, structure, safety net and makes the decisions. I ask again; do you REALLY care about the PA or is it just an opportunity to put the boot in?

You’re applying your own lack of care and focus on success being more important than the way employees are treated. There’s a strange thing for some people that they think success means doing some stuff wrong is ok, it’s part of what is behind some people thinking Trump is great for example.

Nothing anyone says on here will impact Horner, so it wouldn’t matter what is said. I’d hazard a guess a lot of what is said is just how people view the situation.

[DonkeyApple]

732NM said:

Your long winded posts about Horner having no game and being a third rate clown by not hiring in a local sex worker are based on the WhatsApp messages content. You are equally guilty of what you accuse others of.

You say those messages should be discounted, yet your posts use their content as reference.

Clearly those messages have relevance in this case, although likely selectively chosen for impact, they have not been denied by Horner as real. That is not his normal MO when confronted with issues he does not like, he often spins like a demented Mandleson.

How is saying that the messages almost certainly require more context remotely aligned to the extreme view of overtly stating some is guilty of something when there isn't yet the evidence of such?

They can be perfectly real yet not what some are opting to believe, which rather obviously was the intent of the selected leak. I'd favour the showing of a higher level of intellect by waiting for the context to be known.

At no point have I said the messages should be discounted. That is merely the binary claim of a person who can't cope with a perspective that doesn't align 100% with their decision prior to all the facts. The simple fact is that we have a selection of messages but to reach the conclusion leapt at by some to fit their wishes we very obviously require more knowledge. Precisely why this matter is ongoing.

Likewise with the fact that if the chap was wanting to get his rocks off on an away fixture, it being wiser to hire professional services than seeking to use a junior employee? Would seem the rather more sensible of the two silly behaviours would it not?

I've no issue with someone being hanged but I wouldn't support a lynch mob, which is what some on here are.

[732NM]

DonkeyApple said:

At no point have I said the messages should be discounted.

You have.

DonkeyApple said:

As such the only sane action is that they must be discounted and held to the side until further evidence to support and corroborate comes to light.

[TheDeuce]

Boom78 said:

All quite disingenuous about Horner. I repeat again, I’m no fan of the guy (slimy now sleaze) but he built that team from ground zero, he recruited the talent, created the framework, defined the strategy and made the decisions and ultimately made RB what it is today. And before anyone starts with the whole ‘he didn’t do it himself’, ‘it was Adrian’, ‘he had a blank cheque’ he is at the helm and provides the direction, structure, safety net and makes the decisions. I ask again; do you REALLY care about the PA or is it just an opportunity to put the boot in?

Yes, he did great but people aren't being disingenuous, people are saying they don't like his BS riddled slimy attitude and personality. And now that part of him has bled into the team he built and is now causing damage.

The word 'disingenuous' also raises and eyebrow for me - that's the perfect word to describe him, not his detractors.

The PA and potential affair is irrelevant in terms of my dislike of a person that lies with a smile on his face. He's been a fun villain in F1 but he's not a man I'd want as a friend or to put my trust in.

[jasonrobertson86]

732NM said:

DonkeyApple said:

At no point have I said the messages should be discounted.

You have.

DonkeyApple said:

As such the only sane action is that they must be discounted and held to the side until further evidence to support and corroborate comes to light.

[732NM]

DonkeyApple said:

Likewise with the fact that if the chap was wanting to get his rocks off on an away fixture, it being wiser to hire professional services than seeking to use a junior employee? Would seem the rather more sensible of the two silly behaviours would it not?

Again, that information about him wanting to get his rocks off, comes from the messages you say should be discounted, even though you try to deny you wrote that. You appear confused.

[Muzzer79]

732NM said:

DonkeyApple said:

At no point have I said the messages should be discounted.

You have.

DonkeyApple said:

As such the only sane action is that they must be discounted and held to the side until further evidence to support and corroborate comes to light.

>wince<

[PhilAsia]

Boom78 said:

All quite disingenuous about Horner. I repeat again, I’m no fan of the guy (slimy now sleaze) but he built that team from ground zero, he recruited the talent, created the framework, defined the strategy and made the decisions and ultimately made RB what it is today. And before anyone starts with the whole ‘he didn’t do it himself’, ‘it was Adrian’, ‘he had a blank cheque’ he is at the helm and provides the direction, structure, safety net and makes the decisions. I ask again; do you REALLY care about the PA or is it just an opportunity to put the boot in?

I have never stated he is not extremely capable as a team leader, and I am sure the majority think the same. Now go back and read what is said again.

[PhilAsia]

732NM said:

Boom78 said:

All quite disingenuous about Horner. I repeat again, I’m no fan of the guy (slimy now sleaze) but he built that team from ground zero, he recruited the talent, created the framework, defined the strategy and made the decisions and ultimately made RB what it is today. And before anyone starts with the whole ‘he didn’t do it himself’, ‘it was Adrian’, ‘he had a blank cheque’ he is at the helm and provides the direction, structure, safety net and makes the decisions. I ask again; do you REALLY care about the PA or is it just an opportunity to put the boot in?

Why would you not care about the PA in such circumstances. She is a real person who is going through a stty time.

Beggars belief doesn't it!?

[PhilAsia]

732NM said:

DonkeyApple said:

At no point have I said the messages should be discounted.

You have.

DonkeyApple said:

As such the only sane action is that they must be discounted and held to the side until further evidence to support and corroborate comes to light.

SLAM DUNK!!

So DA is not "sane" then, if he is to be believed. Marvelous stuff!!

Thanks DA.

[DonkeyApple]

732NM said:

DonkeyApple said:

At no point have I said the messages should be discounted.

You have.

DonkeyApple said:

As such the only sane action is that they must be discounted and held to the side until further evidence to support and corroborate comes to light.

Thank you for quoting correctly. You can see clearly there is an overt caveat to the act of discounting as outlined very clearly in the second half of the sentence. What you were seeking to claim was that this caveat did not exist and that I was stating that the messages should be discounted in full, in perpetuity.

Thank you. A smaller man would not have had the gravitas to post that quote in full nor apologise but have edited it to try and fit their erroneous view.

[DonkeyApple]

732NM said:

DonkeyApple said:

Likewise with the fact that if the chap was wanting to get his rocks off on an away fixture, it being wiser to hire professional services than seeking to use a junior employee? Would seem the rather more sensible of the two silly behaviours would it not?

Again, that information about him wanting to get his rocks off, comes from the messages you say should be discounted, even though you try to deny you wrote that. You appear confused.

As of yet there is no clear proof so one has to wait.

Again, thank you for posting the full context and not removing the word 'If' which defines the sentence.

We don't know but what we can say is that if that was his intent then there are smarter ways to go about it that don't involve junior members of staff.

[lauda]

Some impressive dancing on the head of a pin going on here.