2024 F1 SUPPORT RACES THREAD - F2, F3, ACADEMY *SPOILERS*

2024 F1 SUPPORT RACES THREAD - F2, F3, ACADEMY *SPOILERS*

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TheDeuce

21,935 posts

67 months

Saturday 9th March
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Fittipaldi probably just pulled off the move of the season smile

Sandpit Steve

10,202 posts

75 months

Saturday 9th March
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Can’t see that soft tyre doing 10 or 11 laps.

Big Nanas

1,396 posts

85 months

Saturday 9th March
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Slow clap for the Director - again. Just about missing the finish for 3rd with three side by side.

Petrus1983

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8,825 posts

163 months

Saturday 9th March
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An interesting race - messy start then got interesting. The podium suggests it could have the sort of season F1 would love. Time will tell. As for Fittipaldi crying on the podium - absolutely clap dedicating your life to standing there - fair play.

TheDeuce

21,935 posts

67 months

Saturday 9th March
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Petrus1983 said:
An interesting race - messy start then got interesting. The podium suggests it could have the sort of season F1 would love. Time will tell. As for Fittipaldi crying on the podium - absolutely clap dedicating your life to standing there - fair play.
Mrs Deuce: "Well done, oh.. he's blubbing!"

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Well done indeed!!

Petrus1983

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8,825 posts

163 months

Saturday 9th March
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TheDeuce said:
Mrs Deuce: "Well done, oh.. he's blubbing!"

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Well done indeed!!
Because we're in a little corner of PH I'll admit a little something - at my first ever test day at Castle Combe (FF1600) I had a stunning morning - fast, consistent etc. After lunch I went back to the circuit thinking I was definitely the next Schumacher - until I had a massive "off". Tears were shed because I felt so bad for all the people who'd worked so hard on my car. It took a bit longer to appreciate it was, sadly, part of racing.

540TORQUES

4,688 posts

16 months

Saturday 9th March
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Petrus1983 said:
An interesting race - messy start then got interesting. The podium suggests it could have the sort of season F1 would love. Time will tell. As for Fittipaldi crying on the podium - absolutely clap dedicating your life to standing there - fair play.
His former F1 driver uncle died recently, that's what he was blubbing about and dedicated his win to.

df76

3,644 posts

279 months

Saturday 9th March
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Pin has lost her second win.. speeding after the chequered flag. She needs to walk away from this nonsense before her career is tarnished.

TheDeuce

21,935 posts

67 months

Saturday 9th March
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540TORQUES said:
Petrus1983 said:
An interesting race - messy start then got interesting. The podium suggests it could have the sort of season F1 would love. Time will tell. As for Fittipaldi crying on the podium - absolutely clap dedicating your life to standing there - fair play.
His former F1 driver uncle died recently, that's what he was blubbing about and dedicated his win to.
I missed that detail - but of course it makes sense.

Also Petrus, your story is relatable too. There is so much pressure when you see other people working to support an effort that only you can realise - it's a huge amount of pressure and failing feels unacceptable, even if logic dictates it's sometimes inevitable.

Castellet

164 posts

19 months

Saturday 9th March
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df76 said:
Pin has lost her second win.. speeding after the chequered flag. She needs to walk away from this nonsense before her career is tarnished.
Don’t understand your second sentence.

She was the deserved race winner, but was negligent in not seeing the chequered flag, and had to be penalised, as it was dangerous to maintain race speeds after the race had ended.

If she’s as good as people are suggesting, she’ll learn from the mistake and be even more focussed on winning the title.

540TORQUES

4,688 posts

16 months

Sunday 10th March
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Castellet said:
Don’t understand your second sentence.

She was the deserved race winner, but was negligent in not seeing the chequered flag, and had to be penalised, as it was dangerous to maintain race speeds after the race had ended.

If she’s as good as people are suggesting, she’ll learn from the mistake and be even more focussed on winning the title.
Her team screwed up.

Doesn't matter, she could not do another race and she's already proven what everyone knew already, she is miles better than the rest.

TheDeuce

21,935 posts

67 months

Sunday 10th March
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Castellet said:
df76 said:
Pin has lost her second win.. speeding after the chequered flag. She needs to walk away from this nonsense before her career is tarnished.
Don’t understand your second sentence.

She was the deserved race winner, but was negligent in not seeing the chequered flag, and had to be penalised, as it was dangerous to maintain race speeds after the race had ended.

If she’s as good as people are suggesting, she’ll learn from the mistake and be even more focussed on winning the title.
Agree. And it's literally just a lesson to be learnt, this won't impact her season - she's clearly ahead of the rest of the field.

As for nonsense.. It's not nonsense, she's exactly where she needs to be, working in and around the full force F1 circus - and highly visible to the world of racing fans, and the people that could take her a step further. She's definitely got a step further than F1 Academy in her, she's so confident and consistent, she'll get this season wrapped up and move on to a more mainstream challenge in F3. Maybe even beyond that..

df76

3,644 posts

279 months

Sunday 10th March
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TheDeuce said:
Castellet said:
df76 said:
Pin has lost her second win.. speeding after the chequered flag. She needs to walk away from this nonsense before her career is tarnished.
Don’t understand your second sentence.

She was the deserved race winner, but was negligent in not seeing the chequered flag, and had to be penalised, as it was dangerous to maintain race speeds after the race had ended.

If she’s as good as people are suggesting, she’ll learn from the mistake and be even more focussed on winning the title.
Agree. And it's literally just a lesson to be learnt, this won't impact her season - she's clearly ahead of the rest of the field.

As for nonsense.. It's not nonsense, she's exactly where she needs to be, working in and around the full force F1 circus - and highly visible to the world of racing fans, and the people that could take her a step further. She's definitely got a step further than F1 Academy in her, she's so confident and consistent, she'll get this season wrapped up and move on to a more mainstream challenge in F3. Maybe even beyond that..
Never come across a driver receiving such a harsh penalty for not seeing the flag, happens all the time and easily done (although the team should have warned her). It's a trip to the Clerk, who would be congratulating you on the race win with a kind warning about the importance of flags. But it's a convenient way of sharing the race victories around I suppose.. and the socials are are already raving about Pullings first ever car race win.

Sandpit Steve

10,202 posts

75 months

Sunday 10th March
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TheDeuce said:
Castellet said:
df76 said:
Pin has lost her second win.. speeding after the chequered flag. She needs to walk away from this nonsense before her career is tarnished.
Don’t understand your second sentence.

She was the deserved race winner, but was negligent in not seeing the chequered flag, and had to be penalised, as it was dangerous to maintain race speeds after the race had ended.

If she’s as good as people are suggesting, she’ll learn from the mistake and be even more focussed on winning the title.
Agree. And it's literally just a lesson to be learnt, this won't impact her season - she's clearly ahead of the rest of the field.

As for nonsense.. It's not nonsense, she's exactly where she needs to be, working in and around the full force F1 circus - and highly visible to the world of racing fans, and the people that could take her a step further. She's definitely got a step further than F1 Academy in her, she's so confident and consistent, she'll get this season wrapped up and move on to a more mainstream challenge in F3. Maybe even beyond that..
That’s a harsh penalty (20s, drops puts her from 1st to 8th), but once she took the flag twice and forced the race director to push the big red button, she was always going to be in trouble. She should probably have realised that there was no longer another car 3/4 of a second behind her, but IMHO it’s primarily the team’s fault for not telling her the race had finished. A team as experienced as Prema shouldn’t be making such elementary mistakes, but she’s not 16 and not in her first year of car racing either.

A difficult circuit for their first event of the season, but it does look like Doriane and Abbi are a class above the rest of the field so far. Looking forward to watching them fight over the season. It’s absolutely brilliant to see the ladies’ race properly integrated into the F1 programme, and the symbology of having the women race in Saudi Arabia isn’t lost on this motorsport fan.

asfault

12,288 posts

180 months

Sunday 10th March
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If Bearman doesn't have a stonker of a season you will have every f2 driver that beats him saying look im good enough for an f1 seat?

TheDeuce

21,935 posts

67 months

Sunday 10th March
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asfault said:
If Bearman doesn't have a stonker of a season you will have every f2 driver that beats him saying look im good enough for an f1 seat?
They all probably say that anyway biggrin

But even if he gets beaten in F2, it's hard to beat actual F1 drive time and on top of that, proving to be competitive.

De Vries won F2 and found his way to F1, and this happened: https://youtu.be/sUQM69mmE-o?si=WkiAIb6NIhM61NPS

There have been plenty of F2 champs that simply can't seem to make the jump to F1.

540TORQUES

4,688 posts

16 months

Sunday 10th March
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TheDeuce said:
There have been plenty of F2 champs that simply can't seem to make the jump to F1.
Money and politics plays a major role. Tsunoda wouldn't be there without Honda, Zhou wouldn't be there if he wasn't Chinese, Sargeant wouldn't be there if he wasn't a wealthy American, Stroll wouldn't be there if his dad wasn't bankrolling him.

asfault

12,288 posts

180 months

Sunday 10th March
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540TORQUES said:
TheDeuce said:
There have been plenty of F2 champs that simply can't seem to make the jump to F1.
Money and politics plays a major role. Tsunoda wouldn't be there without Honda, Zhou wouldn't be there if he wasn't Chinese, Sargeant wouldn't be there if he wasn't a wealthy American, Stroll wouldn't be there if his dad wasn't bankrolling him.
Yep agreed. Never rated Sargent purely there because he's a yank. Zhou too 3 years in f2 with a best of 4th or 3rd in the championship i forget without checking
Tsunoda same honda wanted him and lance money/dad.

However at one point lance was proving himself to be decent enough and a journeyman but then vettell was well past peak.
Yuki if he beats Daniel this year that will help his reputation though I don't rate Daniel much either.

TheDeuce

21,935 posts

67 months

Sunday 10th March
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540TORQUES said:
TheDeuce said:
There have been plenty of F2 champs that simply can't seem to make the jump to F1.
Money and politics plays a major role. Tsunoda wouldn't be there without Honda, Zhou wouldn't be there if he wasn't Chinese, Sargeant wouldn't be there if he wasn't a wealthy American, Stroll wouldn't be there if his dad wasn't bankrolling him.
That's true, but there have also been impressive 'safe bets' from F2 that simply haven't survived in F1.

I've always equated it to playing on a full size snooker table - I have tried endlessly and I suck. But put me back in the pub on the pool table and it feels easy, I'm very hard to beat. I can be the master at one level, a damp squib at the level beyond it..

At least we can say that bearman has passed that test, as starting points go he was already confidently well into the top half of the grid.

PhilAsia

3,883 posts

76 months

Sunday 10th March
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TheDeuce said:
540TORQUES said:
TheDeuce said:
There have been plenty of F2 champs that simply can't seem to make the jump to F1.
Money and politics plays a major role. Tsunoda wouldn't be there without Honda, Zhou wouldn't be there if he wasn't Chinese, Sargeant wouldn't be there if he wasn't a wealthy American, Stroll wouldn't be there if his dad wasn't bankrolling him.
That's true, but there have also been impressive 'safe bets' from F2 that simply haven't survived in F1.

I've always equated it to playing on a full size snooker table - I have tried endlessly and I suck. But put me back in the pub on the pool table and it feels easy, I'm very hard to beat. I can be the master at one level, a damp squib at the level beyond it..

At least we can say that bearman has passed that test, as starting points go he was already confidently well into the top half of the grid.
I know what you mean, but snooker and pool are very different games. I kinda used to look down on pool players until I came to the Philippines, but not any more. There are different facets of the game that they optimise. Ronnie O'Sullivan has the highest regard for Efren "Bata" Reyes, "The Magician", who he considers a rightful legend.

Bearman did everything he needed to do: gained positions; kept out of trouble; finished; scored some points.