Dashcam Footage Used By Police

[Pirks]

KTMsm said:

I'm aware it happens but the numbers claimed seem high for Devon and Cornwall

"Thanks to the efforts of the public, we have been able to take action against almost 10,000 drivers who may have otherwise escaped prosecution"

https://www.visordown.com/news/general/thousands-b...

Does anyone know what the distance is supposed to be for a following vehicle as this knob at 2.03 I would consider to be tailgating/riding driving too close so is committing an offence himself. I’d be afraid that if the first rider had to suddenly brake hard then the knob behind is going to run straight in him

[mikey_b]

iidentifyaswoke said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

So if use the right turn only lane to jump to the front overtaking say 10 cars in one go just as the light goes green I could be prosecuted for reckless?


Oh my.

If there is a right arrow and text which says “turn right”, then not turning right is an absolute offence.

If it is a right turn arrow only, with no text, then it is advisory only. To be prosecuted, you would need to do something else which is careless.

And yet I do that every day. From time to time, there's a police car at the head of the queue in the straight-ahead lanes, without fail they will pause for a second or two when the lights go green to let the bikes that have gathered in the right-turn lane shoot off in front. I really don't think the police give a monkey's xxx about such a minor indiscretion.

[KTMsm]

Salted_Peanut said:

I’m amazed at the various comments about cyclists. It’s hardly an issue to overtake cyclists with a big safety gap when on the motorbike.

Unless there's a long trail of cars, nose to tail behind them, on narrow twisty roads

[nute]

I hope plod also did the moron in the last clip who appears to be sitting in the right hand lane with his brain switched off.

It’s not an excuse to undertake but the number of people who just cannot keep left in the UK is depressing.

[nute]

KTMsm said:

Unless there's a long trail of cars, nose to tail behind them, on narrow twisty roads

And where the cyclist is forced to ride some way out from the kerb because the gully covers next to the kerb are 3 inches below the level of the tarmac because the road maintenance is so st.

[black-k1]

nute said:

KTMsm said:

Unless there's a long trail of cars, nose to tail behind them, on narrow twisty roads

And where the cyclist is forced to ride some way out from the kerb because the gully covers next to the kerb are 3 inches below the level of the tarmac because the road maintenance is so st.

We should all use the road with consideration for others. If the gully covers are poor and that's resulted in a long line of cars behind the cyclist because the cyclist can't ride at the edge of the road, perhaps the cyclist should consider pulling over to let the cars past before proceeding? The fact that there is a long line shows that the cars have already been considerate and not pushed past.

[KTMsm]

black-k1 said:

We should all use the road with consideration for others. If the gully covers are poor and that's resulted in a long line of cars behind the cyclist because the cyclist can't ride at the edge of the road, perhaps the cyclist should consider pulling over to let the cars past before proceeding? The fact that there is a long line shows that the cars have already been considerate and not pushed past.

The main problem I see with cyclists is that the majority of cars don't know how to overtake them

I've overtaken numerous cars, in my car, that have been following cyclists for miles, with plenty of overtaking opportunities

If driver's aren't going to overtake a cyclist / tractor etc they should leave a gap so that those of us who can overtake, have the opportunity to do so

[black-k1]

KTMsm said:

black-k1 said:

We should all use the road with consideration for others. If the gully covers are poor and that's resulted in a long line of cars behind the cyclist because the cyclist can't ride at the edge of the road, perhaps the cyclist should consider pulling over to let the cars past before proceeding? The fact that there is a long line shows that the cars have already been considerate and not pushed past.

The main problem I see with cyclists is that the majority of cars don't know how to overtake them

I've overtaken numerous cars, in my car, that have been following cyclists for miles, with plenty of overtaking opportunities

If driver's aren't going to overtake a cyclist / tractor etc they should leave a gap so that those of us who can overtake, have the opportunity to do so

I agree. It appears that for many drivers, overtaking is a no-no either for them or for anyone else.

Living in a rural area, a problem is often the peloton of MAMILs . Firstly, they often ride 2 or 3 abreast on roads that 2 cars can pass, but it's tight, so there's no chance of 1.5m clearance. Second they'll string out into single file, but nose to tail. On rural roads, getting a clear spot to be able to safely overtake 15 to 20 bicycles in a single go is rare and they definitely don't want you to split the pack up. I've followed both of these groups for a few miles on a number of occasions at a nice steady 15-18mph.

As I said, a little consideration on all sides goes a long way.

[Getragdogleg]

black-k1 said:

KTMsm said:

black-k1 said:

We should all use the road with consideration for others. If the gully covers are poor and that's resulted in a long line of cars behind the cyclist because the cyclist can't ride at the edge of the road, perhaps the cyclist should consider pulling over to let the cars past before proceeding? The fact that there is a long line shows that the cars have already been considerate and not pushed past.

The main problem I see with cyclists is that the majority of cars don't know how to overtake them

I've overtaken numerous cars, in my car, that have been following cyclists for miles, with plenty of overtaking opportunities

If driver's aren't going to overtake a cyclist / tractor etc they should leave a gap so that those of us who can overtake, have the opportunity to do so

I agree. It appears that for many drivers, overtaking is a no-no either for them or for anyone else.

Living in a rural area, a problem is often the peloton of MAMILs . Firstly, they often ride 2 or 3 abreast on roads that 2 cars can pass, but it's tight, so there's no chance of 1.5m clearance. Second they'll string out into single file, but nose to tail. On rural roads, getting a clear spot to be able to safely overtake 15 to 20 bicycles in a single go is rare and they definitely don't want you to split the pack up. I've followed both of these groups for a few miles on a number of occasions at a nice steady 15-18mph.

And then the ones at the back start trying to wave you past them, like they don't like being followed. Except I decide when its safe, not them and I'm not getting had by one of the headcams and reported for the overtake because the bloke at the back waved me on but the camera didn't catch that.

[ashleyman]

Getragdogleg said:

And then the ones at the back start trying to wave you past them, like they don't like being followed. Except I decide when its safe, not them and I'm not getting had by one of the headcams and reported for the overtake because the bloke at the back waved me on but the camera didn't catch that.

I don’t have a problem with cyclists. But the waving gets me.

I’ll pick when I go, thank you.

[FezSpider]

Terminator X said:

Surely only the saddest of fkers that have the time and inclination to send dashcam footage to the rozzers.

TX.

Deleted my original responce, maybe to strong for the ph karens. But yea I agree.

[Biker 1]

Salted_Peanut said:

I’m amazed at the various comments about cyclists. It’s hardly an issue to overtake cyclists with a big safety gap when on the motorbike.

Not apparently in my car. My bugbear is those that cycle on dual carriageways even though there is a purpose built cycle lane running parallel. A24 north of Dorking springs to mind.

[Salted_Peanut]

Not all but some Surrey cyclists (including those I’ve seen on the A24 mention above) are an entitled breed. I cycle yet cannot fathom their dual carriageway behaviour – selfish or suicidal?

KTMsm said:

The main problem I see with cyclists is that the majority of cars don't know how to overtake them

Indeed. The L-test is partly to blame, as it barely touches on overtaking on single carriageways. What could possibly go wrong with learning overtaking on rural roads by making it up as you go along?

[Biker's Nemesis]

I got reported last year and ended up on a Safety Awareness Course. I accept I was in the wrong. I did think about going to court to offer what I think were mitigating circumstances but said to myself, I had broken the law so just take my medicine and move on.

I was following a Learner driver in a Driving Schools car. This road is a 60mph rural one, the learner was doing between 20 - 30 mph. I had followed for roughly 2 miles at a distance of 4 - 5 car lengths behind, I know that learner drivers need to learn to drive and many are nervous.

We arrived at a 90 degree Right hand bend with a Train Signal box to the right. There are 10 Meters of double White lines either side of this bend next to the signal box, they are not that visible but I do know they are there. Once around the right hand bend there is a 1 mile straight with fields on either side and a clear view to the next Left hand bend.

I pulled out and passed the Driving Instructors car and pulled back in my side of the road once I could see the car in my mirror, I estimate at a speed of 40mph and thought nothing of it until a few weeks later when a letter dropped through the door.

The Driving instructor had sent his rear facing dash camera footage in of me crossing the double White lines 3 or 4 feet before they stopped.

I did my course in early November last year, there were 24 people on the course and during a break I found out myself and 1 other guy (who was there for speeding in a 30) had been reported via camera by cyclists.

(I was in my car when the offence happened)

I'm not bitter though, oh no.

[Krikkit]

kiethton said:

Don't get what the issue is with the overtaking BMW

Lines are broken so that's ok, dash car seemed to be doing a fraction of the speed limit and visibility was good

Same thoughts here, maybe a bit fast but otherwise fine imho

[poo at Paul's]

ScoobyChris said:

I think you are confusing what the HC is saying. Committing to the overtake in this case necessitates entering a hatched area surrounded by broken white lines - the reason for the decision to overtake (can you class that as necessary or unnecessary?) is not material to that.

Chris

I’m confusing nothing.
Committing to an overtake that you cannot complete without using a ghost island hatched area could be seen as DWDCAA so it needs to be ‘necessary’ to overtake. It just does!
Again, slow moving vehicle, causing queues, I'd take the risk, but if it’s doing 50 in a 60 and you had a marked car sat behind you, would you chose to ‘commit’ to the overtake that needed use of hatched area?

The ghost island is there for a reason, if you were allowed to just drive over it without having to justify it as ‘necessary’ in some way, it would not be there.

Edited by poo at Paul's on Sunday 18th February 13:50

[ScoobyChris]

But overtaking is never ‘necessary’ unless there is an obstruction in the carriageway. However, deciding to overtake (using whatever justification you want) necessitates using that piece of tarmac.

As per the HC, providing it is necessary to enter (tick) and safe (tick) it’s fine to use it. In fact, the majority of ghost islands are at junctions so if you have a clear view of the junction and can see there will be no conflict, it’s not an issue to enter it.

Chris

[podman]

Just seen this sign gone up in a village la few miles away from me.

Whatever your view point, the public policing the roads is going to grow.

[Bob_Defly]

podman said:

Just seen this sign gone up in a village la few miles away from me.

Whatever your view point, the public policing the roads is going to grow.

No luck catching them swans then?

[Getragdogleg]

Bob_Defly said:

podman said:

Just seen this sign gone up in a village la few miles away from me.

Whatever your view point, the public policing the roads is going to grow.

No luck catching them swans then?

So if you drive then you will be prosecuted ?

Because that's how it reads...